Bus Travel
Bus times
IMPORTANT- Bus services are subject to further changes. Online journey planners are struggling to keep up to date.
Most buses now accept the use of contactless cards for payment.
It is now the responsibility of each bus operator to make their bus times available, and the none javascript regional traveline web sites closed in 2020 thus making joined up journey planning across modes and operators impossible.
Cross Mode/operator travel
As at 17th Oct 2020, the Midlands regional site was the only one operating-it covers the whole country for the planner but limited viewable timetables (south of Cheshire). Use it while you can, it may not be there much longer, and when it's gone, it's gone.
BUS TIMETABLES
Bustimes.org
My primary timetable source- kept remarkably up to date but still struggling with the "emergency" changes- on 18th July it refused to believe there was a TP bus from Buxton to Matlock! (Timetable was available on the operators website).
Transport for Greater Manchester: Bus route numbers and times displayed at bus stops in Greater Manchester are extremely unreliable at this time.
Due to restricted server configuration in March 2020 I can no longer see TfGM web pages here directly. NOTE: Travelling in Manchester late December/early January? Reduced bus service, timetables known only to operators! NOT public.
The old county of Cheshire was split in two in 2009 (on 1st April no less) and subsequently subsidised bus services virtually disappeared, notably journies to neighbouring counties almost ceased.
Cheshire no longer has its own bus timetables in accessible format. There are almost no buses anyway. Vast swathes of the the UK now have no buses at all, many only one a week!
Derbyshire Timetables
Bus route maps
Maps of bus services (NOTE These maps may not show the latest route or service changes.):Derbyshire is considerably out of date! Most buses marked no longer run.
Greater Manchester area bus route maps are split into large areas, the maps are enormous (7MB plus) pdf documents. May also be a month or so out of date. If you know the bus route number, the timetable (SEE ABOVE) includes a rough map.
Free buses in Greater Manchester: :-
Important Note: Manchester roads are subject to wholesale closure for road works and special events. The shuttle buses divert without notice (in one case for 5 months) and without any indication of diverted routes. Cessation of routes for events may be marked on stops. but diversions are usually not indicated on stops. Treat the online maps as indicative and be ready for a long walk.from 20/7/2020 , Three circular routes with complex timetabling!. Piccadilly to Victoria BLUE (2), Victoria back to Piccadilly GREEN (3)- route 3 does not run on a Sunday and is not as frequent as the tram. Generally you need to pay for tram travel, there are exceptions.Manchester Centre tfgm Free Bus inc map
Travelling in Greater Manchester there are several special offers available to: holders of train season tickets; holders of old-age passes when issued in Greater Manchester and an annual supplement is paid (trains and trams within the county, ten pounds a year); the Greater Manchester Child Concessionary fare (5-15) requires proof of age AND residence, which must be provided by an I-go plastic card ticket. Don't shout at the bus driver- it is a TFGM rule!
Trams are subject to frequent bus replacement which is not always clearly indicated or signposted. The tram web site can be wrong. Additionally, there are frequent road closures and bus diversions in Manchester (the Council close the city centre frequently for any reason at all!). It is best to avoid Manchester or assume an extra hour on your journey and note it is usually faster to walk due to severe traffic congestion.
UK Train Times and Fares
UK Train times and fares:
Face coverings mandatory from 15/6/220. Some services are booked seats only. Do not sit in seats marked as out of use. JUMP to the links :
Dark Nights: Carry a torch as many stations maintained(???) especially by Northern are frequently without any lighting. Also a number of lifts are often out of order for months at a time.
Penalty fares are in place at many stations and on many routes. In some places you are required to use a card to purchase a ticket (ticket machines have no cash slots) and some tickets can ONLY be purchased with smart phones. . Some operators require or advise seats are booked.
CARE- Treat all sources of information with doubt especially if your journey is more than a week in the future! Take plenty of food and drink as even a local one hour journey could end up taking six hours (discovered the hard way...). Train services are now highly unreliable. NOTE: Normally when a new timetable is advised it can take Journey Planners up to a week to update- normally several weeks notice of changes is given but these are not normal times and a weeks notice is becoming normal. Usually new data is available on journey planners at some time each Thursday (eg ready for Friday and the weekend).
Check shortly before travelling and assume regular cancellations. Do not rely on making any connections. Don't expect information or help. In the event of an incident affecting travel it is sometimes best to wait a while as management decisions made immediately may be changed several times in a half an hour- cancelled trains are sometimes reinstated or special services found. Some initial advice may not be the best- if told to catch a taxi at your expense, push for something better but expect to wait.
When travelling, beware of using the so called "information points" at railway stations. Calls are a time restricted telephone call to an off-shore call centre, where English is poor, and information is less than is available on line. They can offer no assistance if you need help and no information on any operating problems. The calls are automatically disconnected, usually before you receive any information. Try a mobile call to the station operator- the number may be on a poster at or near the station. Expect to be stranded.
You could find yourself on a bus you didn't know about (or standing on a platform as a replacement bus whizzes past outside!) or stranded in the middle of uninhabited countryside with no assistance.
Note that a ticket price may only cover one particular train booked at one location at one instant! It may be cheaper to split your ticket, especially if you can move a portion of the journey out of peak hours, reduce cross county boundary journeys, or take advantage of greater discounts for shorter journies. NOTE travelling by train within Greater Manchester 1. there is both a morning and evening (4-6.30pm)peak, and 2. Greater Manchester has a secret off-peak child train fare of 80p for any journey for a child (5-15) with a full-fare paying adult (after 9.30am, not between 4.00pm and 6.30pm).
If it goes wrong, remember: if delayed over 15 minutes (newer franchises only eg Wales and Northern- minimums vary), apply for "compensation", which starts at a minimum of 20% for an hours delay, and depending on operator, may be 100% or rarely more (our record is 600%). You may need to contact "Passenger Focus" to resolve problems (we have had to). Update 11/18: Passenger Focus decisions were not enforceable- therefore a binding arbitration procedure has been introduced for SOME problems after 1st December which remain unresolved after 8 weeks with a possibility of £2,500 maximum compensation. They will deal with any complaint under the control of the operator- which will include failure to honour delay repay conditions, but NOT penalty fares (there is separate arbitration for those).
arbitration procedure from the Rail Ombudsman.
NORTHERN RAILWAYS planned TIMETABLES - Check with the next link below. Does not reflect daily operational problems or short notice Covid changes - check the link to "Trains progress..." below
Accessible UK Train Timetables
Today's UK
train delays which only covers major disruption -and Cleared incidents -
UK Live Train Arrival and Departure Boards gives arrivals and departures in the next few hours. NOTE a train shows as NO REPORT until it passes a reporting point.
From Traintimes -as NationalRail website is discriminatory.
Check your trains progress: booked train paths including freight and steam specials from Realtimetrains. The train may not run or may be delayed or cancelled or rerouted. The headcode (eg 1G45) indicates the class of train- starting with a 1 or 2 for passenger, and 4,6,7,8 for freight while 5 is empty carriages. The Ind code may be Working TimeTable(WTT), Variation (VAR), Short Term (special- generally needs up to an hour to be passed around the system once started) (STP), or CANcelled. Click on the headcode for route information. Enter a station, site or junction name. Pass means it passes the point without stopping. NR means No Report- if you see this at a station the train is meant to stop at, the train may have been diverted at short notice.
As an alternative, requiring javascript to work but with more data than the above- Open Rail (Charlwood House) live rail - requires TIPLOC code or station 3 letter code for best results (see next link). The best for tracking route diversions - you need to locate the train on its scheduled route then select the train to find out where it really went.
The official National Rail website
Station codes - eg three letter station (TLS) codes used for example by manual ticket office or train crew machines, useful if you are told they can't issue a ticket to a station. For example in Manchester a ticket to TLC /CRS/NRS MCZ (which may print on the ticket as Manchester CTLZ) includes travel on central zone Metrolink trams from your central Manchester rail station of choice to the city centre. TLC codes originally referred (as CRS or NRS) to Reservation Systems and are now used under the generic title "three letter codes" for station locations.NLC code for Manchester with central Metrolink travel is 0451 (sometimes as 045100), compared to Manchester Stations which is 0438. Link to Phil's web site with list of CRS (aka TLC and also NRS), NLC , TIPLOC and STANOX codes. .
Here is a use where three letter station codes are used in a URL:
Railway fares in the UK are a nightmare, and very often the headline price - the one you will probably be charged- is not the cheapest fare available, despite regulations to the contrary. You can also lose a lot of money in penalty fares if you accidentally get on a train not appropriate to the fare you have paid- and it is very none obvious. While I don't like linking to sites that require javascript, hurrah for a US based website that gives FULL details of ticket restrictions and fares.
What routes ARE permitted? Not easy to find out and not all obvious routes are permitted while some odd ones are- in theory if National Rail suggest a route and DO NOT say separate tickets are required, a route is permitted- but the usual dislocations may amend this for short periods of time! Official ATOC routeing guide to the rescue. A set of PDF files which, if you work through them carefully and as directed will tell you just how complex routeing really is - and what is and isn't permitted. Be sure to check the "easements" section as some are negative easements, forbidding journeys more generally or logically permitted. Unfortunately permitted routes seem to be changeable without notice and apparently without any formally recognised procedure.
If you are looking for UK tourist information, best of luck, there are many content-less web sites out there with just a few really useful ones for specific localities. Generally I find the various UK tourist information centres something of a waste of space, the useful TIC is a rarity to be treasured.
